. >> bobby kennedy. in the end, he felt that he had gotten much more close to bobby kennedy than he'd ever been to jack kennedy. jack kennedy probably a difficult guy, you know, to get close to and understand. but he said john kennedy was a realist, brilliantly disguised as a romantic. robert kennedy, a romantic stubbornly disguised as a realist. >> brilliant. >> bobby kennedy had the heart, and he felt the problems and the issues of the country. john kennedy figured out in his mind, and that was what my father -- >> don't you think bobby much more than his brother because of what he'd been through, he'd been through the trial by fire of his brother's assassination -- >> john kennedy had been through the pt109 experience. >> yeah. what i'm saying is the larger, kind of coz hick events, vietnam was not going well, the civil rights movement began taking hold, and i remember watching bobby. he was in california a lot, and i was on the trail with him, and of all the politicians i covered at that level, no on